3.04.2008

Super

More reasons why Obama scares me:
Don't get me wrong, Hillary scares me, too. But I don't see her straddling the center trying to make everyone happy--and in doing so, using racism, homophobia and anti-semitism in her campaign.

10 comments:

Tennille said...

if you vote for Nader I'm flying to Seattle to personally kick your ass.

jeremy said...

Don't worry, I'll vote dem no matter who that dem is. I just wanted to remind those Ohio, Vermont, Texas and . . . uh, wherever, voters that they still have a chance to make a difference.
And since the mainstream media has already crowned Obama, I figured I'd remind people that he's not infallible. In fact, he's hardly done anything that could be, uh, fallible.

Tennille said...

Okay. Fair enough, but isn't it nice that he KNOWS that he's not perfect? And that he's capable of admitting that he's been wrong and that he's willing to change his mind once he actually learns that he's wrong?

jeremy said...

Can you give me a for instance?
His Farrakhan answer at the debate last week was scary.
And the Senate Foreign Relations Committee sliding into doing nothing while he campaigns is indacative of his do-nothingnoess. The Taliban gains a stronger foothold in Afghanistan while he . . . can't even have his staff convene?
Hillary's committees are not suffering as a result of her stumping. He has one of the worst attendance records in the senate. He has an ATROCIOUS voting record--and not just in our nation's senate, in the Illinois senate, as well. He often opts for a "present" vote on tough issues. What a coward!
I love his messages of hope and change. I just hope that the change isn't an inability to get things done.

Tennille said...

Time Period//Number of Votes/Missed Votes/Percent

Obama:

2005-Q1 81 0 0%
2005-Q2 89 6 6.7%
2005-Q3 76 1 1.3%
2005-Q4 119 1 0.8%
2006-Q1 83 0 0%
2006-Q2 107 2 1.9%
2006-Q3 73 1 1.4%
2006-Q4 16 0 0%
2007-Q1 126 3 2.4%
2007-Q2 112 20 17.9%
2007-Q3 119 67 56.3%
2007-Q4 85 76 89.4%
2008-Q1 12 8 66.7%

Clinton:

2005-Q1 81 11 13.6%
2005-Q2 89 0 0%
2005-Q3 76 0 0%
2005-Q4 119 1 0.8%
2006-Q1 83 2 2.4%
2006-Q2 107 1 0.9%
2006-Q3 73 1 1.4%
2006-Q4 16 0 0%
2007-Q1 126 3 2.4%
2007-Q2 112 3 2.7%
2007-Q3 119 26 21.8%
2007-Q4 85 71 83.5%
2008-Q1 12 9 75%

Clearly the end voting is all the same. I think he made the mistake (and has admitted that he did) of not voting OR voting present during some votes simply because he did not agree with either side. Such as the abortion bill (that I can't find right now) that planned parenthood urged him to vote simply "present" rather than yes or no in protest.

GayProf said...

It seems to me the question is whether we want Clinton, who will betray us in all the ways that we already know, or Obama, who might come up with new ways to betray us.

jeremy said...

Exactly, gayprof! That's what I'm talking about!

Tennille said...

it sounds like you're saying its better to stay with your abuser because chances are the next person will just abuse you more?

jeremy said...

I think that's a mischaracterization of the betrayal statement, Tennille. I think of it more as, he's someone who has no proven record and wants to appease everyone.
And she's someone who's proven record I might not agree with, but at least there's action behind it.
Plus, for voting records, I was including his time in the Illinois senate where he holds the record for "Present" and "No Vote" in his short time there.
Also, he's twice shot down gay rights at the state level--once for pension to be passed on to partners of educators, and once to include partners of state institutions for health care.
And, of course, the main point of my post lie in the link to the Huffington Post article.
That article points out that Obama is the chair of the Senate subcommittee on Foreign Relations which has yet to convene as a result of his candidacy.
Hillary is the chair for the Superfund and Environmental Health committee and she has convened multiple times as well as attended an Armed Services committee meeting.
I want someone who will work for me--not for his career. He hasn't shown that he can do that.

Tennille said...

Clearly I'm not going to sway you to my side. I actually think either one of them would be great as president and I've flipped between them many times. Then I started thinking about whether the country was more racist or more sexist. Coming from Montana I went with it being more sexist (and the primary voting in the middle of the country will back me up) and so who can beat McCain come November is the bigger issue.